Is Christian Nationalism a faithful vision for America, or is it idolatry wrapped in a flag?

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  Avery3d ago

  my grandmother fled a country where the government used religion to control people. She became a Christian AFTER coming to America because the separation of church and state here meant she could worship freely. She would weep at what some American Christians are proposing.

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  Jordan K.1d ago

  I'm a Black Christian and I want you all to understand that 'Christian nation' rhetoric hits very differently for those of us whose ancestors were enslaved by people who used the Bible to justify it. The idea that more Christianity in government is automatically a good thing is not a neutral, universal, colorblind claim. It carries history.

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  Omar _x4d ago

  Christian Nationalism is idolatry. Full stop. The moment you start treating a political project as sacred, you've replaced Jesus with a flag. The Kingdom of God is not coterminous with any earthly nation, and anyone who reads their New Testament carefully should know that.

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  Avery3d ago

  I'm a pastor and I'll be honest with my congregation about this: I believe we are called to pursue justice and righteousness in public life. But when I see Christians who can barely love their neighbors-of-a-different-party marching for a 'Christian nation,' something has gone profoundly wrong with our discipleship long before it went wrong with our politics.

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  Alex4d ago

  I grew up in a church that was basically a Republican campaign office with a cross out front. The pastor would preach more about elections than about Jesus. I left. Not Christianity — but that church. And I think about all the people who left Christianity entirely because of it, and it breaks my heart every single time.

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  Omar M.3d ago

  How cold do you have to be to respond to a woman's grandmother's story with 'that's just an emotional story'? The lived experience of the persecuted church IS theological evidence about what government-enforced religion produces. It's called church history.

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  Alex S.18h ago

  That last comment is where I land. I want my kids to grow up proud to be Christians too. And I think the best way to ensure that is to make Christianity actually worth being proud of — not to win elections.

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  Quinn2d ago

  Here's what nobody on either side wants to say: the real reason Christian Nationalism is appealing to so many people in the pew is that they're scared. Scared of cultural change, scared of feeling like strangers in their own country. That's a pastoral problem, not primarily a political one, and no political movement fixes a fear that only the gospel can address.

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  Feli4d ago

  Nobody in this thread is defining what they mean by 'Christian Nationalism.' Are we talking about Christians voting their values? That's normal and good. Are we talking about a theocratic state enforcing Christianity by law? That's genuinely dangerous. These are not the same thing and we keep mixing them up.

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  Casey L.1d ago

  Also — and I cannot stress this enough — America has also done tremendous evil. Slavery. Genocide of indigenous peoples. Mass incarceration. If we're claiming God's blessings we have to also account for those. Chosen nation theology that only counts the good parts isn't theology, it's nationalism.

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  Jamie20h ago

  Nobody should mock that. That's a legitimate longing. But here's the question: is the answer to that longing political power, or is it a church so compelling, so genuinely loving, so obviously different from the world around it that people are drawn to it? I know which one Jesus seemed to think would work.

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  Theo3d ago

  Honestly? The biggest argument against Christian Nationalism for me is the Christians I've seen promoting it. Where is the fruit of the Spirit? I see anger, contempt for opponents, tribalism, and zero humility. That's not the Kingdom of God.

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  Taylor T.4d ago

  The Founders were decidedly NOT a monolith of orthodox Christians. Jefferson literally cut the miracles out of his Bible. Franklin was a Deist. This 'Christian nation founded by Christians' talking point collapses the second you actually read what these men believed. Please do some homework before repeating it.

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  Omar1d ago

  There it is. Someone had to say it. You cannot have a serious theology of America as a specially blessed nation without grappling with what was done to Black Americans and indigenous peoples on this soil. The silence on that from Christian Nationalist circles is deafening.

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  Taylor2d ago

  The alternative is what the church was doing when it had NO political power in Rome — and it turned the world upside down. The early church didn't need state power. It had the Holy Spirit and a community that genuinely loved people. We traded that for lobbyists.

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  Zara4d ago

  okay but what's the alternative? secular humanism? atheist governance? at least Christian Nationalists are trying to have SOME moral foundation in public life. i'd rather have that than abortion on demand and drag shows in elementary schools

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  Zara2d ago

  The problem is that the people claiming the 'Christian' label for their politics mostly aren't fighting for the poor. They're fighting for power. If Christian Nationalism produced a movement that prioritized the homeless, immigrants, and the incarcerated like Jesus did, I might listen differently.

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  Taylor4d ago

  Jesus was not a revolutionary. He told Pilate 'my kingdom is not of this world.' If Christ himself refused to set up a political kingdom when he literally had the power to do it, why do we think our job is to do it for him?

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  Maya R.2d ago

  Sure they're not identical. But the principle holds: the church grows through witness, suffering, and love — not coercion. The moment Christianity needs the state's sword to spread, it has already lost something essential.

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  Casey4d ago

  I actually read one of the big books on this movement, not just Twitter summaries. And what scared me wasn't the nationalism part — it was the explicit argument that non-Christians should have less of a voice in a Christian-governed society. THAT is where this goes off the rails theologically and ethically.

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  Hana1d ago

  I identify as politically conservative and theologically orthodox and I think Christian Nationalism is a serious error. You can believe in biblical marriage, the sanctity of life, and religious liberty without believing America is a covenant nation specially chosen by God. These things don't require each other.

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  Elena S.3d ago

  Influencing culture through living out the gospel ≠ legislating Christianity by government force. These are so wildly different I can't believe I have to say it.

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  Hana3d ago

  It's not purely ad hominem if Jesus explicitly said you'll know a tree by its fruit. The character of a movement matters to the Christian assessment of it. That's not a logical fallacy, that's Matthew 7.

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  Liam2d ago

  Because the Old Testament theocracy was explicitly tied to the covenant with one specific ethnic people in one specific land with one specific temple — all of which were typological pointers to Christ, not templates for 21st century American governance. Hermeneutics matters. You can't just copy-paste Deuteronomy onto the Constitution.

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  Drew1d ago

  Nobody said 'open borders.' Someone said Jesus cared about immigrants. Which he did. Leviticus 19:34, Matthew 25, the whole of the prophets. You can have a position on immigration policy while still acknowledging that Jesus was pretty unambiguous about how we treat foreigners.

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  Marco S.4d ago

  Even IF the founders were all evangelical Christians (they weren't), 'this is how it started' is not a valid theological argument for what the church should pursue in 2024. We don't base doctrine on the 18th century, we base it on Scripture.

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  Nina M.1d ago

  God blessed many nations throughout history for various reasons. The British Empire spread the gospel too. Does that mean God endorsed everything they did? Korea has incredible Christianity. Does Korea have a special covenant? Nigeria? Brazil? The 'God blessed us, therefore we're special' logic doesn't hold because God has blessed a LOT of different peoples.

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  Kofi 923d ago

  Engaging with civil authority is completely different from trying to make Christianity the official organizing principle of the state. One is citizenship, one is theocracy. Romans 13 does not say 'Christians should run everything.'

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  Riley4d ago

  The Founders were Christians building a Christian nation. That's just history. Why are we pretending like recovering that is somehow extreme?

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  Reese 921d ago

  You know what's funny? The people most loudly calling for a 'Christian nation' often haven't read Alexis de Tocqueville, who argued that the separation of church and state was EXACTLY what made Christianity powerful and morally credible in early America. When the church grabs for state power, it loses its prophetic voice.

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  Diego3d ago

  People always quote 'my kingdom is not of this world' like it ends the conversation. It doesn't. Jesus also said we're salt and light. Salt changes things it touches. Light isn't passive. We are commanded to influence culture.

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  Leo2d ago

  I came here expecting to fully agree with the anti-CN crowd and I do, mostly. But I'll concede this: Christians should advocate for policies shaped by Christian ethics — the dignity of the poor, care for the vulnerable, protection of life. That's not Christian Nationalism, that's just being a Christian in public. We need to keep that distinction alive.

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  Maya23h ago

  At the end of the day I just want my kids to grow up in a country where they're not ashamed to be Christian, where the culture hasn't been completely scrubbed of faith. Maybe that's not a sophisticated theological argument but it's real and I don't think I should be mocked for it.

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  Elena S.1d ago

  This comment should end the debate. It won't, but it should.

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  Morgan3d ago

  Romans 13 says government is instituted by God. Christians have always engaged with civil authority. The question isn't IF we engage, it's HOW. Completely withdrawing from the public square is also a choice with consequences.

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  Leo2d ago

  I'm genuinely curious — if not Christian Nationalism, what? What is the alternative vision for Christians in a democracy? Just be nice and vote? That seems like spiritual apathy dressed up as humility.

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  Jordan4d ago

  Thank you. Finally someone with a brain. The word 'Christian Nationalism' is doing a lot of lifting here and means completely different things to different people.

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  Ravi T.2d ago

  Preach, pastor. Preach.

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  Alex R.2d ago

  We also live in a democracy, not the Roman Empire. The early church didn't have the vote. We do. The situations aren't analogous.

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  Liam2d ago

  This is the most honest comment in this whole thread.

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  Reese1d ago

  Finally a conservative who gets it. Thank you.

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  Kofi1d ago

  if you think America is just another country like any other with no special place in God's providential plan, explain the first amendment. explain religious freedom. explain how the gospel spread around the world partly through American missionaries. God clearly blessed this nation for a reason

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  Feli T.2d ago

  Old Testament Israel was a theocracy and God set it up that way. Why is it so crazy to think God would want His principles to govern a nation?

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  Priya1d ago

  Bringing in Tocqueville is a great move honestly. That's a point worth sitting with.

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  Leo S.3d ago

  ad hominem fallacy. bad people can advocate for correct positions. this is logic 101

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  Omar R.3d ago

  With respect, that's an emotional story but it doesn't constitute a theological argument. Lots of things have emotional resonance and are still wrong. We need to argue from Scripture.

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  Drew2d ago

  immigrants lol okay so you're just going to sneak open borders into this? typical

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