Did the Bible actually endorse slavery — or have Christians been explaining it away for 2,000 years?

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  Nina T.1mo ago

  The hermeneutic gymnastics required to get 'God never endorsed slavery' out of Leviticus 25 would embarrass a first-year seminary student. Verse 44: 'You may acquire male and female slaves from the nations around you — they will become your property.' That is not regulation. That is authorization. The Bible endorsed slavery. Full stop. You can still be a Christian and admit that. What you cannot be is honest and pretend otherwise.

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  Liam1mo ago

  My great-great-grandmother was enslaved in South Carolina. Her enslavers read the Bible to her every Sunday morning before they beat her on Monday. I grew up in the church and I love Jesus but I will not sit here and watch people defend the theology that justified her chains. There is no version of 'God is love' that coexists with Leviticus 25:44 being a divine endorsement. One of those has to give. I chose love.

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  Yuki1mo ago

  Bottom line for me: the slaveholders had the easier exegetical case and the abolitionists had the better soul. I believe God is found with the better soul. I can live with the textual difficulty because I cannot live with a theology that would have kept my ancestors in chains if it had prevailed. That's not emotion overriding reason. That's moral clarity refusing to be buried under footnotes.

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  Morgan1mo ago

  613 commandments and not one that says 'don't keep humans as property.' One that says don't boil a goat in its mother's milk. Let that sink in.

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  Diego1mo ago

  The God who authored the universe and parted the Red Sea and rained fire on Sodom apparently couldn't manage to say 'don't own people' to Moses on Sinai. He had 613 commandments. Couldn't squeeze in number 614? The 'working within the culture' argument makes God sound like a middle manager afraid to offend the stakeholders.

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  Maya R.1mo ago

  I'm not a Christian, I'm a Jewish person reading this thread with great interest. The Torah's relationship to slavery is something we've wrestled with in our own tradition for centuries. What strikes me about this conversation is how many of you want an all-or-nothing answer when the actual text is stubbornly both-and. The Talmudic rabbis would have been very comfortable sitting with a text that is morally complicated. That doesn't make it wrong. It makes it ancient, and human, and worth arguing about. Which is, by the way, exactly what you're doing.

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  Reese1mo ago

  hard disagree but not for the reasons you think. biblical 'slavery' in the ancient near east was not american chattel slavery. those are two fundamentally different institutions and collapsing them together is an anachronism that would fail any intro to ancient history course. debt servitude with legal protections, a sabbath year release mechanism, and rules about treatment is not the same thing as kidnapping africans at gunpoint. stop comparing them.

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  Avery1mo ago

  I'm a pastor and I'll say what a lot of pastors won't: this is genuinely one of the hardest questions in all of Christian apologetics. I don't have a clean answer. I have a bunch of partial answers that together get me to 'I still believe' but none of them individually would satisfy a skeptic and I know it. What I do believe is that Jesus Christ showed up in a world that had slavery and said 'love one another.' That has radicalized people toward abolition across history. I'll stake my faith on that movement, even when the letter of some texts resists it.

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  Leo 211mo ago

  And the men who whipped enslaved people went to church on Sunday. Christians were on both sides. That's the whole point of this debate.

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  Zara1mo ago

  I am so tired of that 'it was different back then' defense. You know what was also 'different back then'? Stoning your children. Marrying off twelve-year-olds. We don't excuse those. We call them wrong. Why does slavery get the special 'well, culturally speaking...' treatment? Because admitting the Bible got it wrong on slavery opens a door a lot of people are terrified to walk through. That's the real answer.

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  Liam1mo ago

  Wilberforce was an evangelical Christian who explicitly credited his faith as the engine of his abolitionism. Frederick Douglass was a lay preacher. You just literally used an example of Christians to argue against Christians. Come on.

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  Iris _x1mo ago

  A pastor who pretends to have clean answers he doesn't have is a liar. I'll take the honest shrug every single time.

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  Elena L.1mo ago

  Because Jesus said that about divorce himself. He came along and corrected it. Nobody in the New Testament corrects slavery. Paul tells slaves to obey. That's the problem. You can't appeal to a 'trajectory hermeneutic' if the trajectory in the actual text never arrives anywhere.

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  Quinn1mo ago

  I want to push back on something. The people saying 'biblical slavery was different' are not wrong on the historical facts. They ARE wrong to think that makes it okay. A more regulated, less violent form of one human being owning another human being is still one human being owning another human being. The regulation of an evil is not its endorsement, but it's also not its condemnation. God could have said 'do not own people.' He didn't. That silence is what we need to actually reckon with.

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  Yuki1mo ago

  This right here. Both sides opened the same Bible. Both sides were sincere. One side was reading it to justify economic interests they were terrified to lose. That's not a hermeneutics problem. That's a heart problem. And a reminder that you can use Scripture to justify almost anything if you need to badly enough.

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  Priya1mo ago

  Because your moral intuition that slavery is wrong has to come from somewhere. You don't get to use secular moral philosophy to bash the Bible and then pretend secular moral philosophy arrived at abolitionism independently and obviously. Western abolitionism was almost entirely driven by Protestant Christians reading Scripture through a lens of human dignity rooted in Genesis 1:27. The Bible gave us the tools to critique the Bible. That's not a contradiction. That's canon doing its job.

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  Maya _x1mo ago

  Or maybe the fundamentalist view of inerrancy is only about 150 years old and the church got along fine without it for 1,800 years before that. Augustine didn't hold your view of inerrancy. Origen didn't. Aquinas didn't. This idea that every word is verbally dictated by God is the new position, not the old one.

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  Liam1mo ago

  Or when the actual answer is complicated and they're not going to pretend otherwise for your comfort. Just a thought.

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  Diego R.1mo ago

  Philemon is the real crux of this whole conversation and people keep skating past it. Paul sends Onesimus BACK. He doesn't tell Philemon to free him. He 'appeals' and hints and hopes, but he sends a runaway slave back to his enslaver with a letter. If you think that letter is a subtle subversion of slavery, okay, make that case. But you have to admit you are reading between the lines of a text that on its surface does not say 'free your slave.'

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  Drew1mo ago

  Respectfully that is the most elaborate post-hoc rationalization I've read today and I've been on this forum for three hours

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  Theo1mo ago

  Can we get back to the actual question? The original post is about slavery and we're now arguing about inerrancy which is a different fight. Here's my take: the abolitionists won. Not because the pro-slavery exegesis was wrong on the text — it largely wasn't — but because the Spirit-led conscience of the church eventually caught up with a deeper truth Scripture was pointing to. That's not a failure of the Bible. That's the Bible working. Slowly. Messily. Exactly the way everything in redemptive history works.

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  Feli M.1mo ago

  Respect for the honesty. Genuinely. More pastors should be able to say 'I don't have a clean answer' without feeling like the whole edifice collapses.

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  Elena1mo ago

  Okay can we distinguish between descriptive and prescriptive text? The Bible describes polygamy, genocide, deception — without endorsing every single one. The existence of legislation around slavery doesn't equal God saying 'this is my ideal social order.' The Mosaic law also regulated divorce, and Jesus explicitly said that was because of the hardness of people's hearts, not because God approved. Why can't the same logic apply?

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  Reese K.1mo ago

  THIS. Thank you. Both sides of this debate are partially right and won't admit it. Yes, it was different from American chattel slavery. Also yes, God never said don't own people. Both things are true. Sitting with that tension honestly is harder than picking a team and yelling.

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  Theo1mo ago

  That is actually a fascinating and underrated point. The imago dei argument — every person bears the image of God — is the most powerful anti-slavery argument that exists, and it's Genesis 1. The abolitionists knew this. It's almost like the deeper logic of Scripture undermines the surface-level permissiveness. Which is either proof of divine inspiration doing something subtle and long-term, or proof that the people who wrote it were morally inconsistent. Pick one.

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  Casey1mo ago

  Knowing that fire can be misused doesn't mean fire isn't real. The capacity for Scripture to be weaponized is a reason to read it more carefully and more humbly, not to throw it out.

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  Elena K.1mo ago

  THANK YOU. People act like verbal plenary inspiration is ancient orthodoxy when it basically came out of the Princeton theology school in the late 1800s as a reaction to German higher criticism. It's a relatively modern apologetic position dressed up as timeless doctrine.

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  Leo1mo ago

  The brake is the character of Christ. Everything gets tested against 'does this look like Jesus?' Slavery doesn't survive that test. Some other things currently being revised in progressive churches also don't survive that test, in my view. The canon is the limit. Christ is the interpretive key. That's not relativism, that's Christocentric hermeneutics with actual constraints.

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  Noah1mo ago

  this is genuinely the best comment in this entire thread

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  Reese1mo ago

  Authoritative and reliable ≠ inerrrant in the modern technical sense. Those are different claims. Honestly the fact that this distinction surprises people in this thread is part of the problem.

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  Omar1mo ago

  The question of whether God *endorsed* versus *permitted* versus *regulated* versus *worked-within* is not just word games. These are actually distinct theological categories with different implications. Endorsement means God says this is good. Permission means God allows it. Regulation means God sets limits on something that exists. Working-within means God meets people inside broken systems to move them forward. I think Leviticus is regulation and working-within. That's not absolution. It's also not endorsement.

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  Omar1mo ago

  I grew up in a very conservative tradition and was taught to defend every word of Scripture as inerrant. When I really read Leviticus 25 as an adult — actually read it, with my eyes open — something broke in me. Not my faith. But something. I spent two years trying to reconcile it. I came out the other side still a believer, but with a very different theology of Scripture. The Bible is inspired, I believe that, but inspiration doesn't mean God dictated every word and called it His perfect will. Moses wrote some things. God worked with Moses. That's the only reading I can live with.

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  Omar1mo ago

  I pick 'morally inconsistent people inspired by a God whose full implications they hadn't yet worked out.' That feels more honest than either 'God endorsed slavery' or 'God never endorsed it.' Inspired doesn't mean complete. Revelation can be real and still be unfolding.

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  Taylor1mo ago

  He sends him back AND calls him 'no longer a slave, but better than a slave, as a dear brother.' That IS the subversion. Paul is doing in first-century Roman context what he can do — changing the social and spiritual status of Onesimus within the church — without triggering a slave revolt that would have gotten every Christian in that house killed. Context isn't an excuse. It's an explanation.

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  Reese1mo ago

  The abolitionists won because of social, economic, and political pressure, armed conflict, and the moral progress of secular Enlightenment thought. Let's not baptize history and pretend the Holy Spirit gets credit for what William Wilberforce, Frederick Douglass, and a 600,000-death war accomplished.

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  Zara1mo ago

  The trajectory hermeneutic IS the answer though. William Webb wrote an entire book on this. Slavery in the Bible is progressively being undermined by its own internal logic — 'there is neither slave nor free in Christ Jesus' (Galatians 3:28), the fact that Onesimus is called a brother, the Jubilee laws pointing toward liberation. The full canon, read as a developing story, points away from slavery. The abolitionists weren't wrong to use Scripture — they were reading it at a higher resolution than the slaveholders.

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  Morgan1mo ago

  If the Bible is 'morally complicated' on something as clear-cut as slavery then we need to ask real hard whether it's actually a reliable moral guide at all. I'm not trying to be edgy, I'm asking a genuine question. If a text got slavery wrong, why would I trust it on anything else it says is morally required?

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  Marco1mo ago

  This is historically wrong. The idea that Scripture is God-breathed and without error is in 2 Timothy 3:16, not in Princeton. You're confusing the systematic articulation of a doctrine with the doctrine itself. The church has always treated Scripture as authoritative and reliable. That's not 150 years old.

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  Feli1mo ago

  okay but if you believe that then tell me: where does the unfolding stop? who decides when we've arrived? because 'Scripture's implications haven't been fully worked out yet' is the argument literally every theological revisionist uses for literally every position. what's the brake on that train?

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  Noah1mo ago

  That's called undermining the authority of Scripture and it leads exactly where you'd expect it to lead: you become the final authority over what counts as God's word and what doesn't. Once that door opens, everything is on the table. That's not Christianity, that's just you with a Bible-shaped accessory.

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  Drew1mo ago

  I mean... the goat-milk commandment has a whole scholarly debate behind it about Canaanite cultic practices but sure go off

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  Riley1mo ago

  Sitting with tension is what people say when they don't have an answer.

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  Diego1mo ago

  if you believe the bible can be used to justify almost anything then why are you on a bible debate forum lol. at some point that cuts the legs out from under the whole project

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  Morgan1mo ago

  A pastor saying 'I don't have a clean answer' on a foundational ethical question is not respectable. It's a failure of spiritual leadership. Your congregation needs you to have wrestled with this and come out with something solid. 'I'll stake my faith on a movement' is not a sermon. It's a shrug.

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  Drew1mo ago

  lol same

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